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Post by phantomphreak4life on Mar 17, 2007 19:21:03 GMT -8
Any more discussion or are we ready for chapter 2?
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Post by phantomgirl110 on Mar 18, 2007 11:35:22 GMT -8
I'm ready, but I obviously can't speak for everyone else.
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Post by Little Giry on Mar 18, 2007 13:50:25 GMT -8
I'm ready! Just...in awe of stupidity (on Phantom of Manhattan)
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Post by phantomgirl110 on Mar 25, 2007 23:56:15 GMT -8
Wow...what happened to this thread? It was so lively and interesting for awhile...
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Post by Little Giry on Mar 26, 2007 16:27:42 GMT -8
More POM so we can debate/discuss/randomly butcher please!!  ;D   |
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Post by phantomphreak4life on Mar 26, 2007 18:30:43 GMT -8
I'm really sorry about the delay everyone. Life has been a real you-know-what lately. So here it is...
Chapter 3- The Chant of Erik Mulheim
POV= Erik Mulheim-1906
The chapter opens with Erik atop the roof of his building recalling all that happened since he left Paris. In 1894, he jumped off the ship to the New World and swam to Coney Island. Once on the beach he meets several men who dont seem to notice his face. The author says this is because all the other men were poor, dirty fishermen.
-Okay, I dont care how weird the men are themselves, if you see a guy with a distorted face walk out of the water, you're gonna notice. Now I realize that people in America are (and were) much more understanding of disabilities than Europeans but c'mon! How can he be a mean phantom when no ones scared of him? Him being separated from society is an important part to the story
Erik now has a partner in crime, Darius. He basically does Erik's work. They started scamming to earn cash but over the course of a few years, Darius poses as an architect to get jobs but it's Erik who really designs the theme parks
-I'm really not sure how I feel about this. I suppose its nice for Erik to have a friend. But...hes the phantom...he doesnt need anyone else to survive
Now Erik's raking in millions of dollars from the amusement parks and is now playing the Stock Exchange. Oh, and get this, he has his own skyscraper!
-Erik basically hates the world and now hes standing on top of it? I'm not sure about this. Although we all know that Erik is capable of ruling the world, we all know he never will. Of course he's good with numbers and drawing, but he didnt stick to music? And there I thought music was his savior...Oh, how stupid of me!!
This chapter was pretty much a waste of my life.
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Post by Little Giry on Mar 26, 2007 19:09:35 GMT -8
The HECK? "New World" America was NOT NEW in 1894!! And I don't care if men are poor, dirty (and the heck, what does fishermen have to do with it?) EVERYONE will notice Erik's face/mask deformity. IT'S ON HIS FACE!
As for not needing anyone else to survive, I agree. I liked to think The Persian was the closest thing he had to a somewhat friend, but he wasn't dependant on him. Come on, we all know only Meg can be close to him! (Teehee) Erik? In a Skyscraper? Lol. Mental picture of Erik sitting at a giant desk and big glasses like Clark Kent or something.
Yikes. I can only imagine the torment you have to endure by reading it. We're just reviewing!!
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Post by phantomluver4ever1 on Mar 26, 2007 20:23:53 GMT -8
Let me guess he wants to be the next Donald Trump. How unrealistic of him having a sky scrapper, but he has his right as an author to write the book how he wants to. Amendment 1, Freedom of Speach, press, religion, ect.
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Post by phantomgirl110 on Mar 26, 2007 20:25:54 GMT -8
No worries about the delay at all! Glad to see you back!
And now back to the topic at hand...Good Lord. Why did he jump off the boat and swim to Coney Island? Was it so that he could avoid being seen coming into the country or something? And the idea that anybody would not notice his deformity is just plain stupid.
Wasn't the Persian's helper in the Leroux novel named Darius? *goes to check* Yes, he was. Is this the same Darius? Are we supposed to believe that Darius left the Daroga to come with Erik to America?
Erik has a SKYSCRAPER? *falls over laughing*
I completely agree with you about the architecture versus music thing. Sure, he loved architecture and was very good at it, but he would never pay more attention to it than to his music. I know (from what I've read from other people about PoM) that he's going to build himself an opera house, thereby getting back to the music, but still. I can't imagine him spending so much time on something else.
This is kinda random, but does the book explain anything about why Erik's last name is Mulheim? In Leroux he has no surname, and Mulheim seems like a pretty random name for the author to suddenly give him. Is that mentioned at all, or are we just introduced to him as Erik Mulheim?
And this isn't even connected to the book, but I'm finally gonna ask. Little Giry, how come you never log in to post? You're always posting as a guest.
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Post by phantomphreak4life on Mar 27, 2007 8:52:51 GMT -8
Coney Island is pretty random too. There's also Long Island, Fire Island, Manhattan....just a million other places he could have gone.
Where I'm up to in the book now he's building the Opera House. And Christine just arrived. Ugh, it's gonna be painful to write that review
And no...Darius is not in anyway connected to the Persian. He arrived on the island via boat. Hes 10 years younger than Erik.
And the Mulheim thing...nope. We're just told that that's his name
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Post by phantomgirl110 on Mar 27, 2007 21:39:30 GMT -8
That's so bizarre, especially the part about Darius. What are the chances that Erik would just happen to run into another guy named Darius? I mean, that's not a very common name, is it?
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Post by phantomphreak4life on Mar 28, 2007 16:11:42 GMT -8
It surprises me too. Especially since Forsyth makes it clear that he wants nothing to do with Leroux. You think he'd be able to come up with a new name. I mean he came up with Mulheim randomly, how hard would it be to think of a first name?
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Post by phantomphreak4life on Apr 4, 2007 17:57:56 GMT -8
This chapter was the BIGGEST waste of paper, ink, and time.
Chapter 3: The Despair of Armand Dufour
POV = Armand Dufour (the man Madame Giry trusted to bring Erik a letter at the end of chapter 1)
The chapter was only 4 pages. Thank God. Such a waste of 10 minutes.
So this, Monseiur Dufour, is complaining about being in America. The food sucks, the beer is awful, he'd rather be with his wife, blah blah blah. He's searched high and low and no sign of Erik Muhlheim. Dufour insults Americans. France should've given us dictionaries to learn a civilized language instead of the Statue of Liberty.
I dont know why Forsyth would include this in his story. It was pointless.
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Post by phantomluver4ever1 on Apr 4, 2007 21:22:39 GMT -8
Wow that does sound like a really stupid chapter.
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Post by Little Giry on Apr 5, 2007 8:45:03 GMT -8
In answer to a question asked earlier by our mod, uhhh...what? I think you're referring to a different Little Giry. (Reason I don't join is because my folks don't want me giving out personal information, and signing up, I'd have to...is it okay if I post as a guest? If not I'll stop.
As for this chapter, ohmyguh- although I can't really blame his stupidity for putting something useless in it, if he calls America "The New World" in 1870 or whatever year it is
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